The Nines is an online event that happens today, which, in case you didn’t realize, is 09/09/09. Leadership Network and Catalyst are behind this FREE event. They have selected a large number of well known speakers and leaders from churches around USA.
“THE NINES is a free one-day event that will take place totally on-line. It is designed for all church staff members who want to be motivated and stretched in their leadership.”
I would really like to have some international viewers watch it here on my blog and participate with each other on my comments below. Love to hear what you are thinking or what you are learning and perhaps get some of your observations of what you see of American church leaders.
Jon Tyson (Trinity Grace Church, NYC) is a truly remarkable church planter with a real heart here for social justice. Well worth tuning in to his bit. And he’s from Australia Andrew. Wish I could tune in but I just turned in my book and I have too many articles due.
Just wondering how you reconcile the use of the word “leader”
with what Jesus said in Mt 23:10.
The word “leader”seems like a “high place.” Yes?
Jesus always took and recommended the “low place.” Yes?
Jesus humbled Himself, made himself of no reputation
and took on the form of a servant.
Jesus in Mat 23:10 told His disciples “NOT”
to call themselves master/“leaders”
for you have one master/”leader” the Christ.
King James Version –
Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, even Christ.
The Interlinear Bible –
Nor be called leaders, for one is your leader the Christ.
Phillips Modern English –
you must not let people call you leaders, you have only one leader, Christ.
Today’s English Version –
nor should you be called leader. your one and only leader is the Messiah.
you must not be called masters ( leaders )
for you have one master ( leader ) the Christ.
Jesus told His disciples not to be called “leaders” and none did.
Ro 1:1 Paul, a servant of Jesus Christ…
Php 1:1 Paul and Timotheus, the servants of Jesus Christ…
Col 4:12 Epaphras, who is one of you, a servant of Christ…
Tit 1:1 Paul, a servant of God…
Jas 1:1 James, a servant of God…
2Pe 1:1 Simon Peter, a servant…
His disciples “all” called themselves “servants,”
none called themselves “leaders.” None? None.
None called themselves “servant-leader.” None.
If someone calls themself a “leader”
or thinks they are a “leader;”
Are they a “disciple of Christ?”
Wondering some more.
Most on the list of people at this “leadership?” event
are not only considered “ leaders?”
but also have the “Title” “Pastor.” I checked them out a little.
Where in the Bible does it say “pastor = leader?”
Have you done your own study, research, on pastors?
I mean in the Bible?
What does the Bible say about pastors?
Makes an interesting study.
Here’s some questions to ask as you check out pastors.
In the Bible, How many people… have the title pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… referred to as pastor?
In the Bible, How many people are… ordained as a pastor?
In the Bible, How many congregations are… led by a pastor?
Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold:
them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice;
and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
One Fold – One Shepherd – One Voice.
If Not Now, When?
Be blessed and be a blessing.
Dude, save your amo for the final round . . .
i dont disagree heavily with you at all. Leader is not pastor and leader is not “author”, at least not necessarily.
American Christians landed heavily on the “leader” concept a few decades ago and much has been written on it. I even studied it in USA.
I am also a little hesitant to use the term “leader” personally without explanation because :
1. i think leadership can be different than entrepreneurship. Leaders are needed to move the existing structures forward into the future [most of these “leaders” are connected to traditional churches] but entrepreneurs are needed to explore new missional possibilities for the church to expand into. Very different.
2. Single talented charismatic communicator-type leaders are a characteristic of the traditional church but much of the emerging missional church [if i can use that term] is characterized by creative innovative teams that share leadership and do not depend on the celebrity factor for their success. Different again and the training needs are also different.
But this is an American church event and “leadership” is still the word they are using so the best thing to do is stick with it for the day and see what we learn from it.
I think we in NZ have passed that point in our lives
so – what do you think of this so far???????
top stuff from skye
commenting and listening at the same time is slightly difficult
Okay, so where can we watch some of these leaders?
If I was given (or took) 9 minutes on camera to speak about leading or to be perceived as a leader I think I’d say “Let us pray,” and allow the remaining 8:46 seconds be filled with silence.
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why were 99% of the speakers from north america? I know it was aimed at them.
there was a danish guy there. but yes, it was an american event for americans. maybe they will spill out a bit next time . . . ?