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Any response from the opposition?
ORIGINAL: “If Oakland desires to tell the truth, then he should start telling the truth. To date, he has not done so regarding Warren”. Richard Abanes
Lots of action on Phoenix Preacher Michael’s blog (400+ comments) and some idiotic reflection regarding his post on Richard Abanes answering critics of Rick Warren. Some of it concerns the emerging church and recent criticisms from Roger Oakland, in particular his criticism of the emerging church and Rick Warren’s endorsement of it. I am pasting a part of that below for you to read and comment on.
From An In-House Conflict:Roger Oakland and Dave Hunt, by Richard Abanes
“OAKLAND: “Pastor Chuck has been very outspoken regarding his concerns about the Emerging Church. . . . On the other hand, it can be documented that Rick Warren’s view of the Emergent Church is different than Chuck Smith’s view. Warren has endorsed the Emerging Church movement. He wrote a foreword for a book written by Dan Kimball titled The Emerging Church: Vintage Christianity for New Generations (Kimball is a leader in the movement).”
RESPONSE:Oakland seems to hold a magnificently simplistic view of the Emerging Church—i.e., it is a single, monolithic, centralized, institution that has an all-encompassing set of doctrinal beliefs (and church practices) applicable to every church calling itself an Emergent Church, and every leader calling themselves a leader in the movement. But Oakland is wrong.
The Emerging Church movement is an extremely vast, non-regulated, de-centralized and disparate collection of multi-hued churches/people/teachings. Some aspects of the movement are good. Some aspects of it are resoundingly bad/unbiblical. Warren has never “endorsed the Emerging Church movement” as a whole. He believes that it is a very important part of what is happening across the Christian landscape, and that it is something everyone needs to watch, both the good parts of it and the bad parts of it.
It is true that Warren wrote the forward to Kimball’s book. And it is also true that Kimball is “a” leader on the movement. But writing the foreword to Kimball’s book is a far cry from endorsing everything that is done/taught by everyone in the Emerging Church everywhere. Warren understands full-well the various problems cropping up within the Emerging Church movement, and discussed some of these issues with me during my 2005 interview with him (see following transcript, excerpted from my book (Rick Warren and the Purpose that Drives Him):
Clearly, Warren has reservations about various aspects of the Emerging Church. This is why he has never fully endorsed everything found within it. Oakland, however, has completely dismissed: 1) the actual nature of the Emerging Church as a widely diverse movement; and 2) the actual views of Rick Warren regarding the movement.